Seriously?

[exanimo2]

Banning me from IRC?

I didn't do anything. I'm trying to figure out a new IRC client and I automatically connect to BRBU and can't get rid of it. I didn't say anything in in the channel, and just left as soon as I joined.

You guys need to grow up and learn to let things go.

[Eschatos]

Prove you're not an NSA spy after our vital fluids.

[Eightball]

So, perhaps this is a good opportunity to open a dialogue.

I don't really use IRC, and I'm not really aware of the drama occurring years ago regarding some BRBU members like Jorge (to which I assume this is related). This seems to be cause for a rift in the community, so would someone explain in objective terms what exactly happened, as well as whether the consequences of it are still relevant and why? For years now it seems to have been something that people don't care to remedy or even discuss, and it's a little weird.

In before I completely misinterpreted the situation

[Surf314]

Exanimo wasn't just banned on IRC - he was already banned on IRC.  The ban was just enforced.  Its an old ban, but no one has ever removed it so its still in effect.

The situation, if I recall, involved cutting ties with certain members because it was a source of toxic drama.  And the entire point of BRBU is to have a drama-less community for people to feel comfortable spending some of their free time playing games together.

As far as removing old bans goes, I've always been an advocate for it but pretty much every time I get my way it bites me in the ass.  So I'm going to stay firmly out of this one.

[rumbot]

Wow. I had no idea till now that Jorge and Exanimo were ever banned from anything.

I just assumed that Jorge drifted off and possible gave up games as he grew up, like sadly happens to some. "All Jorge" remains one of the best postgame taunts.

And, I always had a fetish for Exanimo in a British-voice-tibetian-excursion-bald-head kind of way. But, I'm totally cishet. I assumed Exanimo achieved his zen and now was a frontend webdesigner for some douchey silicon valley social startup.

I have to trust there was sufficient cause for action at the time. But, yeah, I'd have to think it's been long enough to revisit the decision unless something unforgivable happened.

[CaffeinePowered]

Exanimo wasn't just banned on IRC - he was already banned on IRC.  The ban was just enforced.  Its an old ban, but no one has ever removed it so its still in effect.

That's pretty much how channel bans work, they're auto enforced



I'm not going to dig through the archives on this one but

As far as removing old bans goes, I've always been an advocate for it but pretty much every time I get my way it bites me in the ass.  So I'm going to stay firmly out of this one.

[Eightball]

Okay, but it got a little ambiguous there. When you say the ban was enforced, perhaps we should specify that a user enforced the ban; IE it wasn't an automatic action taken by the server. I would argue that reinforcing the ban reaffirms its original intent--that the community is better off with the person being banned. Do you think this is still the case? The ban has been in effect for something on the order of 5 years (it has been around as long as I have posted here), perhaps it is worth re-evaluating rather than taking the view of "it is what it is".

Having done a little more investigating, I'm skeptical that the ban was ever justified. Though, that's not what we're here to comment on, so let's refocus on whether or not it should be maintained. The only reason you would have to maintain the ban is if you still suspect that jorge/exanimo/whatever are toxic. I think that after 5 years with such limited contact, that is not an assessment that cannot be made with much certainty. I will give my opinion that having gamed with them fairly recently, that there's no such concern anymore. True, this is just an IRC ban of questionable significance, but it does send a message of exclusivity.

[Mission Difficult]

[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=7477.msg283632#msg283632 date=1424372705]
Exanimo wasn't just banned on IRC - he was already banned on IRC.  The ban was just enforced.  Its an old ban, but no one has ever removed it so its still in effect.

That's pretty much how channel bans work, they're auto enforced



I'm not going to dig through the archives on this one but

As far as removing old bans goes, I've always been an advocate for it but pretty much every time I get my way it bites me in the ass.  So I'm going to stay firmly out of this one.

[/quote]

This wasn't auto enforced. And he wasn't trying to evade a ban, he moved.

Code:

07:43:38 -!- exanimo [~exanimo@119.109.66.199] entered the room.
07:43:48 -!- exanimo left the room.
07:44:02 @at0m2remote that explains a lot
07:44:04 @at0m2remote right there
07:44:08 @at0m2remote that's someone on the banlist
07:44:39 @at0m2remote !ban *@*exanimo@* ban evasion
07:44:44 -!- exanimo [~exanimo@119.109.66.199] entered the room.
07:44:57 @at0m2remote !b exanimo ban evasion bye bye
07:44:58 -!- mode (+b *!*@119.109.66.199) by ChanServ
07:45:34 @at0m2remote !ban *!*exanimo@* ban evasion
07:45:34 -!- mode (+b *!*exanimo@*) by ChanServ
07:45:39 @at0m2remote !ub exanimo
07:45:39 -!- mode (-bb *!*exanimo@* *!*@119.109.66.199) by ChanServ
07:45:43 +GB_work at0m2remote: hmm i see
07:45:44 @at0m2remote gah
07:45:59 @at0m2remote !addban *!*exanimo@* ban evasion
07:46:00 -!- mode (+b *!*exanimo@*) by ChanServ
07:46:00 -!- exanimo left the room (Kicked by ChanServ ((at0m2remote) ban evasion)).
07:46:01 @Negate super smart
07:46:07 @at0m2remote there we go
07:46:26 @at0m2remote he'll probably figure out a way around it
07:46:34 @at0m2remote ainmosni: we may have an issue
07:46:36 K2 why's exanimo on the banlist?
07:46:49 @Negate dunno it wasn't me who did it
07:47:15 @at0m2remote !blist
07:47:24 @ainmosni eh?
07:47:39 @at0m2remote ain banned him 4+ years ago
07:47:48 @at0m2remote by hostname
07:47:57 @at0m2remote ainmosni: we've had mystery people join/parting lately
07:47:59 @ainmosni oh, those retards are still polluting the genepool?
07:48:06 @at0m2remote and this morning exanimo wandered in
07:48:16 @Negate never said anything
07:48:18 @at0m2remote and i fail at formatting ban strings apparently
07:48:39 @at0m2remote just enforces the bans, he doesn't make them most of the time

[at0m]

Horse's mouth, reporting in.

The previous permanent ban registered with and enforced by ChanServ was set up to be linked to exanimo's authentication account on GameSurge, and would follow that account no matter where the connection was coming from. He was able to enter the channel without authenticating, which evaded that ban, so I added another hostmask to enforce that ban. If ainmosni (who initially did the ban) or one of the other admins wants to pull it, then I'd be happy to pull it, but that's not my call to make, as I'm not privy to internal admin discussion nor am I entirely educated on the initial circumstances of the ban.

I don't care one way or another, I'm just the odd-shift IRC watchdog. I'd recently reviewed the channel banlist to research another issue (checking into the randos joining/parting and any similarities to people already on the banlist), which as I mentioned in chat is the main reason I caught this in the first place.

[Elder]

IRC has its uses but for the most part you really are not missing all that much by not being there.

Heres a suggestion for next time.
Hey guys I tried to get onto IRC and i got banned. Can someone remove it please? If not can someone explain why i was banned.

[Versus]

for the same reason we still have spamserv, which has done nothing in the past 6 years but randomly ban people who accidentally set it off, of course

[Versus]

it's incredibly ancient history. ainmosni, who performed the original ban, for taking his irc nick (clearly a grievous offense) in like 2008, hasn't checked the forums since early august, so i doubt exanimo's going to get an answer anytime soon

[Nitrous Oxide]

gg wp wtf nerds

"All Jorge" remains one of the best postgame taunts.

qft

[rumbot]

What happened to NO2?

He's been a regular, and chill, ps2 peep.

[at0m]

Channel glitch on that one.

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[exanimo2]

At this point, I'm not even going to follow up and try to get unbanned from IRC as I was just trying out a new application for my phone and joining random channels I remember from the past. My initial knee jerk reaction was to come here with a big 'what the hell'. It wasn't necessarily needed. I don't really care that I'm banned (even though I hadn't done anything), especially since you wouldn't want to deal with a 'gene pool polluting retard' such as myself.

I wasn't even going to respond to this thread any further because I didn't think it was worth it as so much time had passed and I had forgotten what happened in the first place. I would have also liked to think that we had all grown up and moved on from the petty squabbling that had occurred, but I really think we all need some healthy retrospection to keep moving on.

I don't want us to forget why we left the Destructoid community and why I had forgotten about BRBU, this was all part of the reason the now forgettable rift had occurred; we had all started to become the dicks that we tried running from in the first place.

As I now remember what I said in the past when I had first decided to leave BRB,U: I'm happy I've met the jerks from this community I was compatible with and I will choose to forget the jerks I was not compatible with.

Be nice, y'all.

This retard is out!

[rumbot]

Well, now I know for sure that you never loved me.

[at0m]

Sounds like the moral of the story is, You are the Scrub until you become the Stax.