JAMES'S SPY UPDATE MEGATHREAD

[zaneyard]

Except it didn't work cuz ppl just farmed them anyway.

this

i like playing and randomly getting an achievement
ill be like, ohh what did i do cool

it is true that i havent played it, but i can still share how i feel about the achievement unlocks.

[Wedge]

So Zane, you'd rather randomly get an item than know you'll get it after X number of achievements? I mean, Unlocks were kinda Valve's way of saying "thank you" to all those people who actually put in time playing the goddamn game.

Edit- ohay look someone who hasn't read http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/58742

Again, if youl'd played the game, youl'd have seen you don't pick up anything.  Frankly it doesn't make any sense right now, but I guess they will be explaining it tomorrow.

[Badgerman of DOOM]

It's not random with an achievement, it completely fucking random Zane.

[fyre]

It's not random with an achievement, it completely fucking random Zane.

Nah...he's saying he doesn't grind achievements, he just plays and likes getting them randomly, as do I. But unlocks have never been that important to me, the only ones I have are the pyro's.

[zaneyard]

no, the feeling of getting an achievement randomly during play is better than that of grinding it in a pub
are you really that pissed that they changed the unlock acquiring?

[Badgerman of DOOM]

YES.
If they had kept the milestones and added pickups as an addition, I'd be all for it.

[copulatingduck]

[quote author=Ensign Epic link=topic=2877.msg85038#msg85038 date=1242961464]
You can find any unlockable on the ground as a random drop.
Way to assfuck the majority of the community, Valve.
Way to jerk off the casuals who rarely play, Valve.

well it's better than grinding achievements
it's called an achievement for a reason, to achieve it.
[/quote]

not really

no, the feeling of getting an achievement randomly during play is better than that of grinding it in a pub
are you really that pissed that they changed the unlock acquiring?

yes

[zaneyard]

Achievement
noun
something accomplished, esp. by superior ability, special effort, great courage, etc (grinding pubs?)

hmm

[copulatingduck]

The achievements have never been that difficult to get for any class, hence why it only ever took 20-30 minutes to unlock all the weapons for any given update. Now they've decoupled the unlocks from achievements, which is why most people are upset because it pushes the expected time to full unlocks from 30 minutes to only-valve-knows-when. It's fucking stupid and if you can't understand that well I dont know what to say

[DaedHead8]

I appreciate that Valve added a new way for players like me to get weapons but it was a bad decision to get rid of the milestones. I don't see why they couldn't have both ways of unlocking weapons.

[zaneyard]

idk im happy, it takes the grind out of getting the achievements and puts the fun back into them
i could give a fuck about the unlocks.
o wait, when i get them it will be like a random birthday present
and i will go throw a party or something

[Greatbacon]

The achievements have never been that difficult to get for any class, hence why it only ever took 20-30 minutes to unlock all the weapons for any given update. Now they've decoupled the unlocks from achievements, which is why most people are upset because it pushes the expected time to full unlocks from 30 minutes to only-valve-knows-when. It's fucking stupid and if you can't understand that well I dont know what to say

Hoping for a drop when you know where it will drop is shitty enough.  Random world drops are shit.  Also, nerf Warlocks.

[zaneyard]

i for one would like to see what valve has to say about the 'random' unlocks before i throw a rage fit about it.

[K2]

Valve is supposed to do a blog post tomorrow explaining the new unlock system. Hopefully it's at least partially based on skill (like crits), but I have yet to see any sense to how new weapons are given out. I got the Ambassador while standing still during setup time; somebody else got one while they were dead; somebody got two FaNs when they already had it.

[Loqutus]

[quote author=Loqutus link=topic=2877.msg84683#msg84683 date=1242868428]
Jarate + Ambassador + Headshot = One-hit kill on 8/9 classes

YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST

Only time I'll hear it, since chances are the Amabassador won't crit in heads.
[/quote]

Added new revolver replacement, The Ambassador. First shot is very accurate and will cause a critical hit if it hits an enemy's head. Accuracy is poor for a period after that


WHAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

[Surf314]

The achievements have never been that difficult to get for any class, hence why it only ever took 20-30 minutes to unlock all the weapons for any given update. Now they've decoupled the unlocks from achievements, which is why most people are upset because it pushes the expected time to full unlocks from 30 minutes to only-valve-knows-when. It's fucking stupid and if you can't understand that well I dont know what to say

I still haven't made it to the scouts second unlock from just trying for the achievements in normal play.  Do you farm all of them?  How do you get them so fast?

[KarthXLR]

Well, bad news I guess.

“As in everything else we do, we want to iterate, so this is really the first step towards our desired implementation. We also think we have bugs in the system as well, since we’re seeing some players not finding any items after a few hours of play, which is not at all how it’s tuned. We want unlockable drops to be a pretty regular occurrence for players, with the cosmetic hats being the rare finds.”

So I guess the system is still buggy. Hopefully a patch will be out soon.

[Wedge]

[quote author=CopulatingDuck link=topic=2877.msg85080#msg85080 date=1242969466]
The achievements have never been that difficult to get for any class, hence why it only ever took 20-30 minutes to unlock all the weapons for any given update. Now they've decoupled the unlocks from achievements, which is why most people are upset because it pushes the expected time to full unlocks from 30 minutes to only-valve-knows-when. It's fucking stupid and if you can't understand that well I dont know what to say

I still haven't made it to the scouts second unlock from just trying for the achievements in normal play.  Do you farm all of them?  How do you get them so fast?
[/quote]

I have no idea where he gets that idea from, unless he means people just farmed them out, in which case you should be pushing for Valve to just give the new items to everyone, and not the stupid achievement unlock system (which I would agree with).  This random drop stuff is another new idea they are trying, and while it's obviously crap and buggy to start with, I think they obviously have ideas to try to do a lot more with it in the future.  Or who knows, maybe it wont' work at all and they'll drop it.  That's the approach they seem to take with the game, which is something really new to see for a game that doesn't have subscriptions tied to it.

[chickadee]

Ambassador = Broken

[Wedge]

Yeah update is full of bugs.  Will be waiting a bit I think.  Alex just told me he can do the spy taunt kill while fully cloaked.  Also it will instant kill a sentry.  LULULULULULLULULULULULUL.