Lol, TF2 Updated

[Badgerman of DOOM]

I noticed that for some reason I wasn't getting the weapons. Restarting Steam should fix that.

[copulatingduck]

When I died during our match I unlocked 9 new weapons. Radio didn't want to let me try the backburner or sandvich though. :-[

[Blues]

You're telling me the one defense against obnoxious scouts who literally ran into your body to avoid the pipes is now nerfed? Good game Valve, I appreciate that all your updates focus around the faggots crying about not being able to kill a class because they suc... I mean because it's too powerful.

[copulatingduck]

What exactly did they do?

I don't really understand the language; and talking to people who've tried to determine what exactly valve nerfed experimentally, it sounds like results are inconclusive (I've heard claims that there was indeed a nerf, no nerf, and a buff, all from people who claim to have tested this in servers).

[CaffeinePowered]

What exactly did they do?

I don't really understand the language; and talking to people who've tried to determine what exactly valve nerfed experimentally, it sounds like results are inconclusive (I've heard claims that there was indeed a nerf, no nerf, and a buff, all from people who claim to have tested this in servers).

Basically it changes the way sticky damage is calculated based on the demo's proximity to the mines when he detonates them, so long range stickies = more damage, the ones you fire at your feet as you fall back = less damage.

Pros:
- Mid-Long range you could do more damage than pipes
- Sticky jumps now require less health
- Traps may not require as many stickies (?)

Cons:
- If you are close to a trap to watch it, it does less damage
- Unable to shoot at your feet with stickies as you fall back

[ainmosni]

[quote author=ainmosni link=topic=2353.msg67231#msg67231 date=1234860124]
[quote author=Caffeine link=topic=2353.msg67210#msg67210 date=1234843042]
Problem solved, still annoying as fuck though

Most Steam IDs were like this STEAM_0:0:12345

Not they are like this

STEAM_1:0:12345

I fixed everything, but it was a little panic moment and its friggin stupid

If you did that by hand instead of using a global search and replace I'm going to smack you with a cluebat.
[/quote]


Find and replace in excel, but still a panic moment
[/quote]

in vi(m) one would do:

Code:

:1,$s/STEAM_0/STEAM_1/g

There is a reason I like that editor...

[at0m]

[quote author=[fr31ns]Karrde link=topic=2353.msg67217#msg67217 date=1234844456]Oh, and on the topic of item loadout changes -  if you're doing it in spawn, touch the supply cabinet to affect changes apparently.

That seems to be the only positive addition with this update.
[/quote]Why? Previously, they were just instant if you were in the spawn at all.

[ScottyGrayskull]

[quote author=Glenn link=topic=2353.msg67223#msg67223 date=1234850538]
[quote author=[fr31ns]Karrde link=topic=2353.msg67217#msg67217 date=1234844456]Oh, and on the topic of item loadout changes -  if you're doing it in spawn, touch the supply cabinet to affect changes apparently.

That seems to be the only positive addition with this update.
[/quote]Why? Previously, they were just instant if you were in the spawn at all.
[/quote]

Are you sure about that? I thought they didn't take effect until your next spawn.

[ScottyGrayskull]

Basically it changes the way sticky damage is calculated based on the demo's proximity to the mines when he detonates them, so long range stickies = more damage, the ones you fire at your feet as you fall back = less damage.

So it sounds like a demo relying on mid-air sticky detonation to make up for lack of aiming skills with pipe bombs was somewhat addressed.

[Blues]

[quote author=Caffeine link=topic=2353.msg67257#msg67257 date=1234879331]
Basically it changes the way sticky damage is calculated based on the demo's proximity to the mines when he detonates them, so long range stickies = more damage, the ones you fire at your feet as you fall back = less damage.

So it sounds like a demo relying on mid-air sticky detonation to make up for lack of aiming skills with pipe bombs was somewhat addressed.
[/quote]
I don't think this is going to affect that very much at all, the sticky has generally traveled a decent distant before people blow them midair anyways.

and yes, loadout changes in spawn always took place instantly, so I'm not sure why they added the cabinet thing?

[at0m]

[quote author=at0m link=topic=2353.msg67259#msg67259 date=1234881188]
[quote author=Glenn link=topic=2353.msg67223#msg67223 date=1234850538]
[quote author=[fr31ns]Karrde link=topic=2353.msg67217#msg67217 date=1234844456]Oh, and on the topic of item loadout changes -  if you're doing it in spawn, touch the supply cabinet to affect changes apparently.

That seems to be the only positive addition with this update.
[/quote]Why? Previously, they were just instant if you were in the spawn at all.
[/quote]

Are you sure about that? I thought they didn't take effect until your next spawn.
[/quote]Sure as sure. I usually change loadouts right after I spawn, and they always take effect immediately.

[ScottyGrayskull]

[quote author=ScottyGrayskull link=topic=2353.msg67261#msg67261 date=1234882958]
[quote author=at0m link=topic=2353.msg67259#msg67259 date=1234881188]
[quote author=Glenn link=topic=2353.msg67223#msg67223 date=1234850538]
[quote author=[fr31ns]Karrde link=topic=2353.msg67217#msg67217 date=1234844456]Oh, and on the topic of item loadout changes -  if you're doing it in spawn, touch the supply cabinet to affect changes apparently.

That seems to be the only positive addition with this update.
[/quote]Why? Previously, they were just instant if you were in the spawn at all.
[/quote]

Are you sure about that? I thought they didn't take effect until your next spawn.
[/quote]Sure as sure. I usually change loadouts right after I spawn, and they always take effect immediately.
[/quote]

Maybe this is for some customs, if a map has a supply cabinet out of spawn or something.

[[fr31ns]Karrde]

you still die if you do it outta spawn tough.  And blues, you're totally right about the ppl who suck (see, I've no problem saying it ;P )

[Spore]

Valve keeps on going about this wrong. Just find a real way to make pipes the only practical offensive weapon for demo while stickies are mainly for defensive purposes. Can't they just drop mid-air stickies and call it a day?

[CaffeinePowered]

Valve keeps on going about this wrong. Just find a real way to make pipes the only practical offensive weapon for demo while stickies are mainly for defensive purposes. Can't they just drop mid-air stickies and call it a day?

I miss beta where you could bounce stickies off things and they still exploded on people, just one bounce is all, is that too much to ask to be able to do what the demo does in 'Meet the demo man'

[Ianki]

[quote author=Spore link=topic=2353.msg67273#msg67273 date=1234895474]
Valve keeps on going about this wrong. Just find a real way to make pipes the only practical offensive weapon for demo while stickies are mainly for defensive purposes. Can't they just drop mid-air stickies and call it a day?

I miss beta where you could bounce stickies off things and they still exploded on people, just one bounce is all, is that too much to ask to be able to do what the demo does in 'Meet the demo man'
[/quote]

Uggg, those were the worst times.  Lucky bank shot hitting just about any 125 character = the pits.

[shoopfox]

I'd totally drop mid-air dets for 1-bounce grenades.

[CaffeinePowered]

[quote author=Caffeine link=topic=2353.msg67275#msg67275 date=1234896902]
[quote author=Spore link=topic=2353.msg67273#msg67273 date=1234895474]
Valve keeps on going about this wrong. Just find a real way to make pipes the only practical offensive weapon for demo while stickies are mainly for defensive purposes. Can't they just drop mid-air stickies and call it a day?

I miss beta where you could bounce stickies off things and they still exploded on people, just one bounce is all, is that too much to ask to be able to do what the demo does in 'Meet the demo man'
[/quote]

Uggg, those were the worst times.  Lucky bank shot hitting just about any 125 character = the pits.
[/quote]

No, they were bad because the number of banks was unlimited, if you touched it while it was rolling on the ground it still killed you.

Just one bank thats all I ask

[Radio Raheem]

dropping mid airs wont change anything. learn how to aim at feet. then you get 1 bounces and stickys

[Spore]

dropping mid airs wont change anything. learn how to aim at feet. then you get 1 bounces and stickys

Fine, have them function where about a second after hitting the ground, they "activate" at which point you are free to blow them up. Before that they do not explode.