Kirby Uninstalling Posts: 3,853 Joined: Jun 2009 |
02-07-2010, 05:11 PM
(02-07-2010, 04:11 PM)Funbucks link Wrote: [quote author=Kirby, the Axe Zealot link=topic=4176.msg135962#msg135962 date=1265574888] Why not decriminalization? It's a civil offence up here in Maine, with no possibility of incarceration up until you get beaned with >=2.5oz if it's together, or ~<=.5oz and it's already bagged individually for obvious resale. Just a $400 fine for possession, no aggravating factors like drug paraphernalia to bump it up either. That leads to less overcrowding in lockups of all sizes, 'specially up here where something like 70% of the state is policed by county/state police, having no local PD (Love my town, no cops anywhere) and there are very few towns with local detention ability, and rely solely on the few county and state lockups. Having weed decriminalized in this manner also generates the state considerable revenue, as we're not only not paying to lock up every Tom, Dick and Harry that got popped with a rolled joint or a bowl, but also smacking them with a hefty fine on the backside. Personally I've paid that fine myself 7 times, $2800+ (Court fees, lawl.) in fines*, yet I've never been incarcerated, and because I haven't and will not be jailed, I'll continue to do so. *If weed were legal, I would have probably already paid out more in taxes on it than that, so I don't care. I grow my own so I'm not paying retail for it, and I can simply sell some to my co-workers and cover the cost of the fine. [/quote] That's legalization. De-Criminalization just means that its not longer an offense to sell it/possess it. Legalization is when the government regulates, taxes and sells it. Decrim means dealers still sell it which is sketchy cause they can do whatever they want with the stuff before they sell it. [/quote] No it's not, It's still illegal to posses it outside of a license. |
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Ianki Pedo^H^H Appreciator of the Youth Posts: 2,450 Joined: Apr 2008 |
02-07-2010, 09:23 PM
(02-07-2010, 04:11 PM)Funbucks link Wrote: [quote author=Kirby, the Axe Zealot link=topic=4176.msg135962#msg135962 date=1265574888] Why not decriminalization? [/quote] That's legalization. De-Criminalization just means that its not longer an offense to sell it/possess it. Legalization is when the government regulates, taxes and sells it. Decrim means dealers still sell it which is sketchy cause they can do whatever they want with the stuff before they sell it. [/quote] Decriminilzation means that dealers will still go to jail (possesition of large quantities will still be a felony under most proposals) but we will no longer be filling up our prisons disproportionally with poor black youth for a non-violent crime (about 12 percent of ALL black males between 25-29 is in jail right now), and something like 15 percent of all prisoners are incarcerated for pot possession (again, this is disproportionately black), costing states and the federal government something like a billion dollars a year. Combine this with depressing statistics of poor reintegration after incarceration due to exposure to heavier drugs in prison and difficulty finding jobs as a felon, it's clear that the criminalization of pot has done nothing but harm on the whole. Many people who wouldn't necessarily want to legalize pot are still for decriminalization. |
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Eschatos Jack Thompson Fan Club Member Posts: 4,447 Joined: Mar 2008 |
02-07-2010, 10:36 PM
I'd like to try it sometime, but I'm a bit put off by what happened to one of my friends. He was really smart, number one in my high school class, and since he started smoking pot every day he's burned out and virtually dropped out of school.Â
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CaffeinePowered Mad Hatter Posts: 12,998 Joined: Mar 2008 |
02-07-2010, 10:39 PM
(02-07-2010, 10:36 PM)Eschatos link Wrote: I'd like to try it sometime, but I'm a bit put off by what happened to one of my friends. He was really smart, number one in my high school class, and since he started smoking pot every day he's burned out and virtually dropped out of school. I had two friends in college who smoked every single day and got 4.0s in Chemical Engineering and Mechanical Engineering respectively, they would come back from class play halo and get high. Its just the kind of person you are and the drive you have to succeed. Substitute booze, nicotine, or any other drug (or fuck, even WoW) for THC in your statement and it could still be true.  Sig by Joel |
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Squishy3 Closet Furry Posts: 5,757 Joined: May 2008 |
02-07-2010, 10:45 PM
(02-07-2010, 10:39 PM)Caffeine link Wrote: [quote author=Eschatos link=topic=4176.msg136009#msg136009 date=1265600196] I had two friends in college who smoked every single day and got 4.0s in Chemical Engineering and Mechanical Engineering respectively, they would come back from class play halo and get high. Its just the kind of person you are and the drive you have to succeed. Substitute booze, nicotine, or any other drug (or fuck, even WoW) for THC in your statement and it could still be true. [/quote]It's the same thing as people becoming rude and violent when they drink. It's all based on the person you are. Some people are extremely mellow when they're drunk, others get rowdy, rude and violent. |
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SAVAGE-0 BRB, Posting Posts: 935 Joined: Sep 2008 |
02-08-2010, 09:46 AM
MA passed its law last year making it less costly than a speeding ticket - i think its 50 or 100 bucks - no multiple offenses - only thing you're really in trouble for is dealing like kirby was saying
I think its one of the things we'll see in out lifetime... legalizing weed and hopefully prostitution... both have been around since the begining of civilization (obviously weed even before that). Why not collect taxes and regulate them when theres really no disadvantage and so many advantages? Its not like they are going away, and its naive to think they will if kept illegal. The morals of those running the government (<3 them WASPs) are clouding judgement. I think by the time we're old and grey, the slow fade of religion -thats already quite apparent - will cause a lot of reform. trust me... I'm a 2L |
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Turtle Justin Bieber Posts: 2,860 Joined: Nov 2009 |
02-08-2010, 04:15 PM
(02-07-2010, 02:30 PM)diggs link Wrote: [quote author=Surf314 link=topic=4176.msg135942#msg135942 date=1265568510] like i said, parts of cali have stop arresting people for it, just telling em to do it in private because our jails are crowded [/quote] it really doesn't matter what is or isn't on the forum about drugs. I'm pretty sure they can't arrest you for what you said on the internet. If they could arrest you on those kinds of charges, like every comedian would be in jail by now. |
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CaffeinePowered Mad Hatter Posts: 12,998 Joined: Mar 2008 |
02-08-2010, 04:28 PM
(02-08-2010, 04:15 PM)Turtle link Wrote: [quote author=diggs link=topic=4176.msg135949#msg135949 date=1265571006] like i said, parts of cali have stop arresting people for it, just telling em to do it in private because our jails are crowded [/quote] it really doesn't matter what is or isn't on the forum about drugs. I'm pretty sure they can't arrest you for what you said on the internet. If they could arrest you on those kinds of charges, like every comedian would be in jail by now. [/quote] Because nothing you do that gets posted on the internet ever comes back to bite you or gets you arrested  Sig by Joel |
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beep beep diglett Uninstalling Posts: 4,033 Joined: Jun 2009 |
02-08-2010, 04:48 PM
eh, unless you're already being investigated/will be investigated in the future, you're fairly safe (unless your some sort of celebrity)
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Professor Funbucks Guest |
02-08-2010, 05:26 PM
Just respect's Caff's rules.
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Kirby Uninstalling Posts: 3,853 Joined: Jun 2009 |
02-08-2010, 05:41 PM
(02-07-2010, 10:36 PM)Eschatos link Wrote: I'd like to try it sometime, but I'm a bit put off by what happened to one of my friends. He was really smart, number one in my high school class, and since he started smoking pot every day he's burned out and virtually dropped out of school. Wasn't so smart now then, was he? It's all about the self-control and discipline. |
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Sponson BRB, Posting Posts: 1,682 Joined: May 2008 |
02-08-2010, 07:30 PM
(02-08-2010, 05:41 PM)Kirby, the Axe Zealot link Wrote: [quote author=Eschatos link=topic=4176.msg136009#msg136009 date=1265600196] Wasn't so smart now then, was he? It's all about the self-control and discipline. [/quote] Self-control and discipline in controlling intake of substances, or refusing (arbitrarily) illegal substances? |
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Professor Funbucks Guest |
02-08-2010, 08:24 PM
(02-08-2010, 07:30 PM)Sponson link Wrote: [quote author=Kirby, the Axe Zealot link=topic=4176.msg136078#msg136078 date=1265668913] Wasn't so smart now then, was he? It's all about the self-control and discipline. [/quote] Self-control and discipline in controlling intake of substances, or refusing (arbitrarily) illegal substances? [/quote] Intake. |
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Sponson BRB, Posting Posts: 1,682 Joined: May 2008 |
02-08-2010, 08:34 PM
(02-08-2010, 08:24 PM)Funbucks link Wrote: [quote author=Sponson link=topic=4176.msg136109#msg136109 date=1265675459] Wasn't so smart now then, was he? It's all about the self-control and discipline. [/quote] Self-control and discipline in controlling intake of substances, or refusing (arbitrarily) illegal substances? [/quote] Intake. [/quote] But then why couldn't it potentially be at the refusal stage? Edit: I'm just askin questions because I feel that it makes for a good discussion other than "lol cuz why".
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Kirby Uninstalling Posts: 3,853 Joined: Jun 2009 |
02-09-2010, 04:49 PM
(02-08-2010, 08:34 PM)Sponson link Wrote: [quote author=Funbucks link=topic=4176.msg136117#msg136117 date=1265678659] Wasn't so smart now then, was he? It's all about the self-control and discipline. [/quote] Self-control and discipline in controlling intake of substances, or refusing (arbitrarily) illegal substances? [/quote] Intake. [/quote] But then why couldn't it potentially be at the refusal stage? Edit: I'm just askin questions because I feel that it makes for a good discussion other than "lol cuz why". [/quote] For him the obviously smarter choice would have been at that point, although this holds true for most any substance, legal or otherwise. If he can 'burn out' so quickly with no self-regard, he's most likely the type of person who shouldn't be imbibing in anything. |
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Sponson BRB, Posting Posts: 1,682 Joined: May 2008 |
02-10-2010, 08:10 PM
(02-09-2010, 04:49 PM)Kirby, the Axe Zealot link Wrote: [quote author=Sponson link=topic=4176.msg136119#msg136119 date=1265679266] Wasn't so smart now then, was he? It's all about the self-control and discipline. [/quote] Self-control and discipline in controlling intake of substances, or refusing (arbitrarily) illegal substances? [/quote] Intake. [/quote] But then why couldn't it potentially be at the refusal stage? Edit: I'm just askin questions because I feel that it makes for a good discussion other than "lol cuz why". [/quote] For him the obviously smarter choice would have been at that point, although this holds true for most any substance, legal or otherwise. If he can 'burn out' so quickly with no self-regard, he's most likely the type of person who shouldn't be imbibing in anything. [/quote] If making weed legal would help curb crime and abuse. It can be said that having it illegal substantiates crime and abuse. You mentioned it would have been a better decision "for him" to just avoid it. But by judging how nearly no-one has absolute resolve in the refusal of such substances while they are illegal, wouldn't he be doomed no matter what then? Had he obeyed the law, he would have been fine. But no one seems to obey the law. So couldn't I argue that people should just obey the law and avoid it in the first place instead of trying it? |
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rumsfald Guest |
02-10-2010, 08:13 PM
Do I need to be high to understand what's going on in this thread?
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Professor Funbucks Guest |
02-11-2010, 12:16 AM
(02-10-2010, 08:13 PM)rumsfald link Wrote: Do I need to be high to understand what's going on in this thread?Probably. It's the only time I've been able to. |
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Duck, Duck, Goose Guest |
02-17-2010, 04:22 PM
So I had a tremendous fucking panic attack last night. Basically I have this strain of weed that gives you a huge head rush, and so I'm pretty sure that makes less blood in your feet. Anyways, I guess you notice things different when your high, so the "pain"/feeling was a bit more intense, and I started convincing myself I was going to die because I read some dumb "facts" about weed overdoses (lol) and how it can cause respiratory system failure.
It sucked and was probably the worst thing I've ever experienced. But then I realize how fucking stupid that was (the next morning), and smoked more. The end. tl;dr bad highs are fucking terrible Thank god they rarely ever happen, but now I understand people who get bad highs the first time and never ever want to smoke again. lol
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Professor Funbucks Guest |
02-17-2010, 04:27 PM
[aeva]
(02-17-2010, 04:22 PM)Nitrous Oxide link Wrote: So I had a tremendous fucking panic attack last night. Basically I have this strain of weed that gives you a huge head rush, and so I'm pretty sure that makes less blood in your feet. Anyways, I guess you notice things different when your high, so the "pain"/feeling was a bit more intense, and I started convincing myself I was going to die because I read some dumb "facts" about weed overdoses (lol) and how it can cause respiratory system failure.[/aeva] I really should post the MSN chat history, it was so funny. [aeva] Quote:"2/16/2010 7:43:15 PM α ι ι α и :: иιÏÑÏus ÏxιժÑ âЯâϾ Rapid heart rate, Breathing Difficulty, Paranoia, Disorientation, Delerium, Hangover (during recovery), Hallucination, panic attack and Respiratory System Failure(lethal overdoses).[/aeva] You were so goddamn stoned lol |
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